Something in the world of floating have you stumped?
Show Highlights
Opening a float center is stressful, and when you first get started, there’s a lot of uncertainty involved. Will people keep coming in to floating from one month to the next? Will it be enough to cover costs? What happens if surprise expenses rise up and throw your center underwater.
Graham and Ashkahn discuss the existential dread involve in being a small business owner and what they do to not worry so much about the future of Float On. And also self-immolation.
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Graham: All right. Howdy doody.
Ashkahn: Wokey dokey.
Graham: This is Graham over here.
Ashkahn: This is Ashkahn.
Graham: And dude, now we have an announcement.
Ashkahn: Oh, yeah. So, check it out. The end of this month is going to mark the end of this podcast.
Graham: And it’s coming up fast.
Ashkahn: Coming up hot and fast, now.
Graham: Well, if you want to hear more about why that’s the case, and what’s going into it, and what our plans for the future are, and the winning lottery numbers for tomorrow.
Ashkahn: Because we’ve got a special announcement episode, you can listen to that. But for now, what you do need to know is our very final episode on November 29th is going to be a live, two hour bonanza.
Graham: A bonanza extravaganza. It’s like a series of bonanzas. Because that’s what that would be.
Ashkahn: It’s going to be pretty cool.
Graham: Yeah. It’s…did you already say it was on the 29th?
Ashkahn: Yeah.
Graham: Oh, great. Did you say that it’s from 3PM Pacific Standard Time to 8PM Eastern Standard Time?
Ashkahn: No, I mean, I don’t think I would have phrased it like that.
Graham: I liked it from last time. I’m just going to stick with it.
Ashkahn: Yeah, it’s really clear for everybody.
Graham: It makes it seem like it’s really long.
Ashkahn: Yeah. I’m sure everyone will show up at the right time.
Graham: It’s two hours, between 3 Pacific and 8 Eastern.
Ashkahn: It’s some time in November, you know. You figure it out.
Graham: We said the 29th three times now.
Ashkahn: But you know, in Australian time, it’s not actually going to be
Graham: On Australian days. Yeah, that’s right, it’s like, April over there right now, or something, so. Okay, anything else about our announcement?
Ashkahn: You just…yeah, come hang out.
Graham: Yeah. Come chill. We’ll be answering questions live, it’ll be amazing.
Ashkahn: That’ll be the whole purpose of it.
Graham: Okay. Today’s question is, “When will I feel like I have a viable business, and can sleep better at night? Every day, I wake up wondering if all of a sudden, people will not want to float. I’m about to hit our first year of being open, we’re doing great, and maybe I shouldn’t be so worried and stressed, but, I am. Do you ever worry about Float On in that way, or do you just live your lives as if they will continue indefinitely?”
That’s a good question.
Ashkahn: Yeah.
Graham: I like it.
Ashkahn: Kind of, like, yes to every part of that, I feel like, is the answer.
Graham: It’s…
Ashkahn: Like, I don’t think I’m ever going to die, so like, check.
Graham: Indefinite, yeah.
Ashkahn: Yeah.
Graham: Done.
Ashkahn: And I do also wake up every morning fearing that Float On will collapse.
Graham: But I am also kind of at peace with it. So, yeah, I mean this is…it’s an interesting one in that I feel like this is one of those business questions that turns into philosophy land. Right, like there’s not, there’s not actually a direct answer to something like this.
I think it just differs from person to person, and I don’t know, like, I think about it a lot like your health. Right, I mean, you’re a human being, and you can hop in a car and get in a terrible accident and die at any moment. Or, you can poison yourself, and fall off of things, you can have horrible traumatizing events happen to you.
Ashkahn: I think people don’t need multiple examples of ways they can spontaneously die.
Graham: But I’m just saying, like there’s immolation, spontaneous immolation.
Ashkahn: Defenestration, thrown out of a window.
Graham: There’s tons of things that can happen, every day, and we as human beings…
Ashkahn: Guillotine was a big one, until, you know, recently.
Graham: We as human beings just have to deal with it. You know, like, and most of us have figured out ways to deal with that, because we have to exist on a daily basis. But we’ve been human beings for a lot longer than small business owners. I think for a lot of people, the fear of your business collapsing, or dying, or something traumatic happening to it from the outside environment.
It’s just something we’re less used to dealing with, you know, like now when we hop in a car, we’re not usually worried about the accidents that we could have. We think more just, oh, this is how I live my life, and it’s the same with the business. Like, there are all these things that can go wrong, but, that’s just life. You know, you need to figure out how to put up with that, despite the fact that everything could suddenly collapse.
Ashkahn: I mean, yeah, like humongous businesses collapse overnight. You know, like, that can happen. We’ve seen it happen, with like the banks and crazy stuff like that. And companies like Enron.
Graham: Do you want to describe a few ways they could collapse? I’m not sure I actually followed.
Ashkahn: Financial fraud all of a sudden gets revealed. So I mean like, this isn’t anything that any company is immune to, right? Like, companies go out of business all the time, even humongous companies. In fact, companies tend to have shorter lifespans than humans do. Right?
Graham: So, you should be more worried about your business than you are about your life.
Ashkahn: That being said, I mean, definitely you’re more likely to go out of business earlier on than later on.
Graham: Yeah.
Ashkahn: Like, as you grow your business, one, you become bigger and you’ve gone through more, and you’re able to like have better safety nets in place and you know, just as you’re growing your company, you have a little bit more room to take a punch and still survive. So you know, one year is still relatively short on the timeline of having a kind of super stable business.
Like, it took us years before we even got to the point where…
Graham: Yeah, I was going to say you’re going to say that we’re at that point?
Ashkahn: Well, I was saying we’re at that point. But it took us years to even like, get enough things in place where were one of us to be gone for a couple months, things would still survive, right? Like, that was like five years in that we got some of that stuff set up. So, things do get more stable over time, as you decide to make them more stable. And I think you just become less risk-averse as your business grows, right?
Graham: For better or worse, yeah.
Ashkahn: Because at the beginning, you’re like, you know, I’m all in! Like, let’s just go, and see if I can stay open another month! But like, as it gets longer, like, there’s more people involved. There’s more at stake. There’s also more stability that just comes from being a business that’s been around for a while. Right? Like, we have customers who have been floating with us for five, six, seven years.
Graham: Yep.
Ashkahn: And like, those people are, like, you know I feel a lot better knowing they’re going to keep floating with us over the course of this next year. Then, I would, had we only been in our first year of business, right. Like, we just have some of the fact that you’ve been around for longer helps just naturally create stability in your customer base. So, that’s really like helpful, too.
I mean, I don’t know. I don’t wake up every morning feeling like…
Graham: No. The nightmares have stopped. You know.
Ashkahn: I don’t know. I, like, as much as things were, in a very realistic sense, extremely unstable for us to begin with, and there were like literally days where we were hovering around bankruptcy, and just barely managed to make it out. One day at a time.
Graham: I mean, the first year is a doozy. Like, I guess, you know, congratulations on getting past your first year, too. Like, that’s a huge milestone. It is not an easy job, running a float tank center for the first year.
Ashkahn: Definitely not. But even at that point, when realistically, I probably should have been very concerned that we were about to go out of business at any moment, I kind of wasn’t then, either.
Graham: We’re pretty mellow people is part of that.
Ashkahn: There’s mellow, and I think we’re really headstrong, too. Like, we were just ready to be like, you know, if something came up we would just be like fuck it. Like, we’ll figure this out, and we would just power through.
Graham: Yeah.
Ashkahn: And so, you know, part of it definitely is that mentality. Like, businesses oftentimes fail when people just decide to like, it’s just not worth their time anymore.
Graham: Yeah.
Ashkahn: Right?
Graham: For sure.
Ashkahn: There’s less cases I know of like, some random thing happened, and catastrophic overnight failure happened to a small business, as opposed to, you know, it’s just been like months, and things aren’t going that well.
Graham: The grind, and it’s not profitable, and there’s a slow loss of money, and you’re cutting into your personal funds, and self-immolation.
Ashkahn: I mean, keep it up. Yeah, a lot of things to worry about. But you know. Don’t get like, complacent or something. With marketing, you’ve always got to keep up that hustle, like we’ve talked about, and keep fanning the fire.
Graham: Yeah, and if our answers seem, again, a little vague and like, less tactical this time, it’s again, like this is a philosophical question, fundamentally. It’s like how do you deal with the uncertainty of the environment? And it’s…yeah. I will say it gets easier over time, and I don’t know, I guess with like mental viewpoint, too.
Something that I’ve always held in mind is that Float On could just totally collapse, and I would have been happy for us having tried it, and for what we accomplished up until now. And it’s still true. Even if it collapsed tomorrow, like, that would be a truly hard blow, and I’d still just be so happy that we got to serve floats for so many people, and that we learned so much along the way and had all these experiences. I guess, being okay with the end makes the journey a lot more pleasant.
Ashkahn: And you know, your business is going to fail at some point in the future. Like, your business is not going to be the only business that ever goes on forever. So, you know, what’s really the difference between-
Graham: Just you and Coca-Cola out there.
Ashkahn: Tomorrow, and a hundred years from now.
Graham: Kicking it, 300 years in the future.
I feel like I had something else that I wanted to say about that. Oh yeah, so like, I guess my conclusion is if you’re not the kind of person who wakes up every morning worrying about all the things that can kill you, personally, during your day, then this will go away. It means you’re just not that anxious of a person, and eventually the risks of running a small business will seem a little more every day, and you won’t wake up worrying about them. And things really do get better.
I mean, they’re the terrible twos. You’re about to enter the terrible twos. So, you know, get ready for that. But, things do, like Ashkahn was saying, they do stabilize, it seems like there’s no end of this long tale of really odd events that you’ve never seen before that come up, and cause issues. But, a lot of the worst things that can go wrong, I think, are very likely in a float center to happen during the first two years.
Ashkahn: Yeah, the first two years.
Graham: There is a certain likelihood of that…maybe the first four.
Ashkahn: Maybe the first, like, decade.
Graham: But there’s a certain comfort, in like every one of those years you get past. So, you’re doing great, I mean, be worried enough just to, like, stay on point and not let stuff slip. But don’t be so worried that you’re debilitated by anxiety, and you start not keeping up with things, and they slip, you know.
Ashkahn: We need little badges to give people. Like, when they’ve made it past certain, like, chips, you know.
Graham: I was picturing a badge that just said, like “don’t listen to us”, and has a little picture of our faces or something, you know.
Ashkahn: Yeah. Something like that. All right.
Graham: Cool.
Ashkahn: Well, maybe that made you more comfortable.
Graham: Yeah.
Ashkahn: Maybe you’re about to go close your business now.
Graham: Or maybe you’re just like, why do I ever listen to these people?
Ashkahn: In any case, if you want to hear more from us, you can go to a website that we have.
Graham: It is floattanksolutions…with two Ses there, in Solutions, dot com.
Ashkahn: One at the beginning, and one at the end?
Graham: That makes two, yeah.
Ashkahn: Okay.
Graham: Slash…
Ashkahn: Never thought the need to clarify that before.
Graham: Slash podcast.
Ashkahn: Yeah. Cool.
Graham: All right.
Ashkahn: All right. We’ll talk to you tomorrow.
Graham: Yeah. Bye.
Recent Podcast Episodes
Should Float Centers use Light or Heavy Gauge Studs? – DSP 269
Still no Ashkahn today. He’s taking a couple of post-conference days to himself.
Jake and Graham are on the scene though to answer construction questions, though. Even the straight forward ones, like today. Jake informs us which to choose when doing construction, light or heavy gauge studs when constructing a float center, while getting a little sidetracked when comparing wooden and metal studs.
Construction to Make Your Life Easier – DSP 268
Graham and Jake cover a wide range of construction tips to make running a float center easier. Everything from making sure you have extra storage to installing mop closets with sinks in them for dealing with heavy duty chemicals.
The advice is pretty much a shotgun approach of tips, tricks, and hard lessons learned throughout the years.
Draining Float Tanks into Septic Systems – DSP 267
Graham and Jake tackle the difficulties of draining float tanks and how that process can differ based on different municipalities, different water treatment systems, or whether you’re using a septic system or not.
Water treatment typically involves whole contained ecosystems and highly concentrated epsom salt water can impact that pretty drastically. The guys provide good tips for each type of system and what to be prepared for if you’re operating in a rural area with a septic system.
The Difference Between STC and Decibels – DSP 266
Post-Conference Ashkahn is still out of the recording studio, but fortunately Jake is keeping Graham company in there.
Graham and Jake break down the differences between decibels and STC ratings, two very important to understand when figuring out soundproofing. There’s a lot to digest in this episode, but fortunately the guys keep it easy to understand by providing a broad level overview of the different concepts.
Should I Wire my Float Tanks into the Wall? – DSP 265
Ashkahn is currently recovering from his talk and the after-party last night, but Jake and Graham have gracefully taken the time to answer a construction question again today.
On the docket today is a question about wiring a float tank directly into the wall. Graham and Jake provide an overview of why some people may prefer this (it’s much easier to keep waterproof, e.g.), and why at Float On they use the twist lock for their outlets and how to properly utilize them.
Latest Blog Posts
The Float Tour Blog – Issue #28
Home sweet home! After so many months on the road, it was strange being back here in Portland. We were exhausted, excited, and a little travel weary. The first night back, I slept in my own bed for the first time in three months and the world just melted away.
Having travelled across the United States, I’m reminded of how insular Portland is. We are aggressively fixated on keeping things local. Local beer, ketchup, bikes, pet food, pillows, phone cases… it’s part of our charm. We want to reward people for living here and being a part of the community. It’s so pervasive that, after living here for so long, I kind of forgot that Secret Aardvark hot-sauce isn’t available everywhere, and that most cities don’t even recycle, let alone compost.
The Float Tour Blog – Issue #27
Our northern neighbor – a sister city, of sorts – Seattle is the largest metropolitan area in the Pacific Northwest. It’s the land of Microsoft and Kurt Cobain, and the culture here embraces both simultaneously. It’s tech business professional in the front and rock n’ roll grunge in the back. This blend creates a perfect storm of high energy business life and high energy nightlife, making relaxation a valuable commodity. Floating helps fill the void left by nightmarish traffic and overcrowded restaurants.
Given that it’s so close to home, the float centers in Seattle are a lot more familiar to us. Our visits here were more like a high school reunion than they were like the first day of school. During some of our visits, we were picking up conversations right where we left them.
The Float Tour Blog Issue #26
Vancouver is the largest metropolitan area in Canada, and third largest on the West Coast. It’s a major hub for international trade, with one of the largest ports in the world, giving it a large migrant population, mainly from Asia, the Middle East, and Australia. It’s also been a long-time home to the Canadian film industry, and has even been nicknamed “North Hollywood.” Dozens of film and television productions from major studios film here every year.
Vancouver is very much an international city. It has large boroughs dedicated to varying cultures, including one of the largest Chinatowns in the world. The society here is more receptive to new ideas, always looking for the next big thing; it’s not surprising that floating has blown up in Vancouver as much as it has.
In the last 3 years, 10 float centers have opened up, most of them being larger 4–6 tank centers. The really interesting thing is how they all opened within the same short amount of time about 1 ½ to 2 years ago, within months of each other.
The Float Tour Blog – Issue #25
We finally made it back to the West Coast! We went through the Canadian Rockies and were overwhelmed by the beauty of it all. We drove through hours and hours of winding mountain roads, fertile valleys, and tiny towns so picturesque they looked like movie sets. It was so captivating, in fact, I suspect Graham and Ashkahn may have secretly replaced themselves with robotic doppelgängers to hike throughout Banff.
This post will focus on the smaller communities in B.C. that are bringing floating to new people every day. We also get to visit Canadian manufacturer Pro Float. They’re relatively new to the scene, just opening up earlier this year – another exciting sign of the growth in the industry.
