Something in the world of floating have you stumped?
Show Highlights
Graham and Ashkahn talk about how they deal with other float centers spying on Float On.
Basically… they don’t. The float industry is a really open community and a lot of information is generally freely available. If someone is spying on a float center, that could be a result of poor communication skills or a lack of awareness of what information is actually out there. The guys share their advice on how to talk to someone who might be in that situation and how to move forward, hopefully as friends instead of rivals.
Listen to Just the Audio
Transcription of this episode… (in case you prefer reading)
Graham: All right.
Ashkahn: Okay, welcome.
Graham: Hello.
Ashkahn: My name is Ashkahn.
Graham: I am Graham. And together, we are Grashkahmn.
Ashkahn: Oh, sorry.
Graham: That’s all right, it’s cool. Just forgot my half of our combined name.
Anyway, we have a question for us from you, which is, what are some common issues with float tanks? Sorry, no, different question, wrong day.
Ashkahn: Different question, different day.
Graham: Right, just look at a different page here. “I had a customer come in – that’s good – who was sneaking a bunch of photos and asking weird questions.”
Ashkahn: Hm.
Graham: “Now I found out that they’re opening a center across town. How do you deal with spies?”
Ashkahn: Spies.
Graham: Espionage. The dangerous side of the float world.
Ashkahn: I mean, we have a pretty robust counter-intelligence program going at our place.
Graham: Yeah, feed them a lot of misinformation.
Ashkahn: Lots of propaganda.
Graham: Yeah. Just wait for their own center to self-destruct.
Ashkahn: We funded a coup in Nicaragua just to stop one place from opening.
Graham: Maybe you don’t want to go as far, but it works. It does work.
I guess at Float On we don’t really worry about it?
Ashkahn: It’s kind of an interesting one, because the information’s all public. Like, what could they find out by coming to your float center that everybody isn’t finding out by coming in to float at your place?
Graham: So I think how this happens, a is people don’t realize that our industry is as cool as it is. And you can probably get way more information by just directly approaching a float center owner and talking to them.
So, first off, if any of you listening out there-
Ashkahn: If you’re the spy-
Graham: If you’re spies or you’re thinking about spying, don’t do it. Everyone is so nice and open. Maybe not everyone, but if you talk to a jerk out there who doesn’t want to give you the time of day, whatever. They’re the exception in the industry. Just call another center near you. Chances are, they’ll actually be embarrassingly open with how their center runs and its shortcomings and stuff like that.
Don’t sneak around if you’re the spying type. And if you’re a center being spied on, then you’re going to… Ashkahn. What’s your advice then, buddy?
Ashkahn: I guess my advice is, I’m not sure what you feel like you’re losing from someone taking pictures and stuff like that. Like, what information could they be gleaning that they wouldn’t be able to get by visiting any float center?
I don’t know, I don’t understand exactly what people feel like what kind of valuable info they feel like they’re losing in the scenario that someone is spying on them. Quote, unquote “spying” on them.
Graham: Yeah, it’s interesting, because I feel like the social damage is almost more than the practical damage, you know?
Ashkahn: Yeah, for sure. I mean, it’s weird and it’s kind of rude.
Graham: They should have asked, right, is the thing.
Ashkahn: Yeah, for sure.
Graham: I feel like that’s what this person is actually upset about is that the person did not directly correspond with them, and instead felt the need to “sneakily” come in and check out how they were doing things. And “presumably” use that information to “inform” their own decisions on a competing float tank center.
Lots of air quotes, again, going on here.
Ashkahn: So yeah, if we’re just talking about social interactions more than how to stop someone from spying on you.
Graham: I think it’s both, yeah.
Ashkahn: How would you stop someone from spying on you?
Graham: I don’t know, And every center feels like they did certain things wrong. So in a certain sense, like to spy is just copying off of things you also did wrong.
Ashkahn: Go for it. Build what I built.
Graham: It’s like cheating off of someone in class who’s a C student, you know? Maybe you shouldn’t be cheating off of that person.
Ashkahn: I mean, in terms of what information you’re protecting, I think this is maybe over-hyped in people’s heads or something. Because again, you’re a business in public where customers are coming to float in your float center.
Everybody comes in and knows what your floors are like or what tanks you have. Most people can look at your websites and see how booked up you are. I don’t know. How much is someone going to really use something like that in a way that’s going to impact you negatively?
Graham: Yeah.
Ashkahn: It seems not like a huge concern to me.
So, yeah, it really like, I guess, how do you try to move forward in a relationship with a float center in town when they’ve started things off on a weird foot?
Graham: Sneak a cyanide capsule into their food.
Ashkahn: That’s way too intense. That’s an extreme, extreme overreaction.
Graham: Sorry, I went back to the CIA stuff again.
Ashkahn: I was thinking it’s even extreme for the CIA.
Graham: That’s not extreme for the CIA.
Ashkahn: Just go around killing every single person they discover.
Graham: Well-
Ashkahn: I guess we don’t know.
Graham: No, I mean, I’d talk to them. To be honest, I would even bring up the weird stuff.
What did you say? Back them into a dark alley?
Ashkahn: Get back at them with honesty.
Graham: That’s way better than backing them into a dark alley.
Ashkahn: Your mind is in a weird place right now.
Graham: Let’s go pick some fights after this. I got this baseball bat with a few nails through it. Do you think we could find anything to use that for? It’s been a long day.
Ashkahn: My instinct is the same as yours, is to just bring it up and be like-
Graham: You’re that dude who was in here asking a bunch of questions and taking photos.
Ashkahn: Weird, man.
Graham: Can I take you out to lunch?
But yeah, try to make friends. Chances are, the conversation will go something like, them being embarrassed. Them being like, “I was doing that. It just felt weird that I was opening a competing business. I didn’t know how to bring it up.” It might just end with you understanding where they’re coming from and being friends in the future.
Nothing ever came of letting issues like this stew and you assuming the worst is people in the background. That’s stuff that feuds and unnecessary disputes are made of. Take the higher ground. Talk to them. Just be honest and nice. Call them out in a way that leaves room for a relationship to build in the future. Leave the ball in their court.
Ashkahn: And take the step to make communication. I feel like it’s way too easy for something weird to happen between two float centers in town with each other. And then for both of those float centers to just get too wrapped up in the day-to-day of running their places to ever take the five minutes of work it would take to shoot the other person an email or pick up the phone and call them.
It’s such a small amount of work, but it’s like slightly weird enough and just outside the scope of what you need to do in your day-to-day enough that it just doesn’t happen. Like when I talk to people who are like, “This other float center in town’s kind of weird.”
I’m like, “Oh, yeah? What happened?” They’re like, “This one weird thing happened and we haven’t talked in three years.” I’m like, okay. I feel like this could be resolved pretty easily.
Graham: That’s also totally human. That happens in families and stuff like that all the time.
Ashkahn: But take that step, you know? Reach out.
Graham: Absolutely, yeah.
Ashkahn: Try to bridge that communication.
Graham: And if that doesn’t work, coup in Nicaragua. I really think it’s a solid plan B.
Ashkahn: And if you murder someone, you didn’t hear it here.
Graham: Like we always say.
Ashkahn: Our classic tag off line. All right, and if you have murder suggestions of your own, head on down to floatanksolutions.com/murder.
Graham: You’re going to get arrested after this.
Ashkahn: Maybe. I’m willing to risk it for the fans.
Graham: All right, well, hopefully, we’ll talk to you guys tomorrow.
Ashkahn: Bye, everyone.
Recent Podcast Episodes
Benefits of a Free Float Giveaway – DSP 315
Float On has been known throughout the years for pulling off outlandish marketing stunts with mixed success. For example, we ran a giveaway on social media back in 2014 for a full year of free floats to our lucky winner.
Derek and Ashkahn provide a follow up on the success of that campaign and talk about the primary, secondary, and tertiary benefits that came from doing such a major giveaway.
The Importance of Social Media – DSP 314
Social media seems to be the only marketing platform that anyone talks about anymore. How to do facebook ads, when to post on Instagram, how to improve Google SEO… it’s a broad topic that seems to dominate the conversation in marketing.
Ashkahn and Derek explain not only why it seems this way, but the misconception of relying too heavily on social media in marketing strategies, as well as a defense of social media as a platform.
How to not be salesy selling memberships – DSP 313
Derek and Ashkahn give the low down on pitching memberships to customers. A lot of float center owners don’t want to come off as pushy sales people after people get out of their floats.
Ashkahn sympathizes with this a lot, since that’s exactly how he felt when he first started selling memberships for Float On. He and Derek suggest a perspective shift on the idea of memberships, as lots of customers end up being appreciative of the opportunity, and don’t feel like they’re being overly pitched to.
Why is Water Treatment Important? – DSP 312
If float tank water is safe, in part because of all the salt, then why is there such a huge emphasis in the industry for water treatment? After all, there haven’t been any reports of anyone getting sick because of floating.
Ashkahn and Graham tackle this question and challenge the idea on its face, because, well, just because something hasn’t been reported doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen, and given how little is known about water treatment in float tanks, it’s a good idea, as an industry, to minimize the risk of infections and illness as much as possible. Really, there’s a lot of reasons, from peace of mind, complying with health regulation standards, and even marketing, to maintain your float tank solution to as high a standard that you can.
Soundproofing Windows of Your Float Center – DSP 311
Graham and Ashkahn discuss soundproofing windows of a float center, but first they talk about which situations may even warrant soundproofing in the first place. It may be that soundproofing is better prioritized elsewhere.
If you do decide to soundproof your window, the guys give you some tips on how best to do it and what to look for when picking out which type of glaze you may want along with a few other options.
Latest Blog Posts
What? Another Product Announcement? The New and Improved About Float Tanks Guide!
We’ve learned a lot since then, so has the industry and the rest of the world. Floating is no longer considered some obscure practice. The industry has become very well established the world over and is continuing to grow. As such, the About Float Tanks Guide in particular desperately needed updating.
There has been new research, new standards in manufacturing, and as an industry, we have a much better understanding of all things float tank.
Download the latest version today!
Announcing: The 2017 Float Tank Industry Report
In 2014 we started gathering answers to a survey that would eventually become the very first State of the Float Industry Report. We've released one every year since, and this year we (once again) have the most contributions that we've ever had. In total, 193 existing...
Working with a Landlord
If you’re planning on opening up a float center, it’s likely that you’ll end up renting and, therefore, working closely with a landlord. Like any business relationship, it takes communication, discernment, and openness to make a renter-landlord relationship feel truly comfortable.
Everyone involved is taking a risk and the reality is that, when it comes to floating, it’s probably more risk than your average small business – craft shop, bar, hair salon, law office, what-have-you.
This piece also includes a free download – a compilation of support letters from float center landlords!
Employees vs. Independent Contractors. Which is better when offering additional services?
Part of what makes all of this so confusing is there isn’t a one-size-fits-all set of actions that differentiates a standard employee from an independent contractor. Your State regulators, the federal Department of Labor, and the IRS all have their own criteria for what constitutes an “independent contractor”. Here, we’ll just be using the IRS definitions as a sort of jumping off point to the issue. If the status of employees is ever challenged, the IRS determines the status on a case-by-case basis over several criteria by a panel of judges, very similar to American Idol.
Basically it comes down to who is in control of the work. How much control does the company have over the type of job being done vs. how much control does the person providing the service. This manifests in different ways, but to fit the definition of an independent contractor, a service provider really does have to be independent. Beyond just using this guide, you should always consult an HR lawyer if you feel like there’s any confusion or ambiguity.
Basically, the rules fall into three main categories…
