Something in the world of floating have you stumped?
Show Highlights
It’s easy to look at some of the research that comes from floating or look at special programs for veterans with PTSD and think about how float tanks should be paired with psychotherapy.
Graham and Ashkahn have met several therapists who use float tanks in conjunction with their sessions, sometimes exclusively. They also know that it’s important to recognize that they are trained professionals who are providing a treatment for difficult to treat psychological issues in some cases. Knowing when to leave the work to the experts is a valuable part of providing a service like this one with so many broad uses.
Show Resources
Justin Feinstein’s Study – Examining the short-term anxiolytic and antidepressant effect of Floatation-REST
Listen to Just the Audio
Transcription of this episode… (in case you prefer reading)
Graham: Today’s question is: “have you heard of any people using the float tank as a tool for psychotherapy? I am curious about using the tank to work through PTSD. How do you think it could work? I think a float session to open up and then a therapy session to follow.” Boom 21.
Ashkahn: Yeah there are people out there using float tanks with therapy sessions.
Graham: I think that 21 at the end is supposed to be an exclamation point. I think that the way our questions come in it reformatted it.
Ashkahn: Oh I see. Okay. I thought you were just saying that.
Graham: So it’s just a “boom!” is what it ends with at the end.
No I don’t editorialize these.
What were you saying?
Ashkahn: Yeah I was trying to answer the question here.
So there are people out there – there are float centers out there, not many, but there are float centers out there that do therapy sessions with people. And they do them with therapy before float, therapy after float, and sometimes therapy during a float. They have an intercom system set up actually in the float tank and can talk to people through that.
Graham: And I know of at least one therapist whose entire therapy is just the float. They have an intercom in there and they say, “Hey are you ready to start your therapy session?” And the client says yes, and then they turn off the intercom. And then when it’s about time to get out, they’re like, “Okay your session’s done,” and they view that as their therapy.
Ashkahn: And I’ve heard people with this setup being able to bill insurance because they’re billing for a therapy session and the float’s just kinda part of that. So that’s an extra perk.
Graham: Yeah. And we’re neither therapists nor insurance agents.
Ashkahn: But we are people!
Graham: So definitely check this out on your own.
Ashkahn: And I think it should also be noted that it seems like float tanks do benefit people with PTSD. With Justin Feinstein’s new research coming out, at least short term, immediate relief from a variety of anxiety including PTSD. So there’s a lot of positive in here, and I guess all of this in my mind comes with a giant warning, which is if you’re not a therapist, you should probably be careful about entering into this stuff too deeply.
Graham: Right. Yeah, getting someone who’s actually certified and in the case of billing insurance, obviously, someone who’s a clinical psychologist or a psychotherapist is pretty necessary.
Ashkahn: So yeah, I would be nervous myself to just jump in to start doing…to me it feels like doing surgery or something. Yeah, I bet I could just do knee surgery. I’m sure I could figure that out. I don’t know what I’m doing, I don’t know what I’m saying, and you’re dealing with people who are in a much more fragile state than a normal customer just coming in to enjoy themselves while they’re floating. They might have an adverse reaction to this, it might trigger some sort of very stressful response in them. There is so much that can happen that you might be unprepared for if you don’t know what you’re doing.
Graham: Right. So there’s a little bit of uncertainty in the nature of the question. If the question is “Should I provide unlicensed psychotherapy?” the answer is probably not.
Ashkahn: Are you a therapist or a psychiatrist or a psychologist?
Graham: Are you talking to me or the audience?
Ashkahn: No this is just a general editorial sort of view. If you have a degree, or this is what you’re currently doing, then the float tank does seem to be a good tool to aid with that. They certainly pair well together, and certainly from what we have been hearing from the people who have been doing a little bit of that and the research that has been coming out, it seems to me to say that this is a good idea.
Graham: Also there’s this really interesting phenomenon where a lot of different types of therapies and practices end up seeing a big boost from therapy at the same time. Even something like taking antidepressants, SSRIs, or something like that, in conjunction with psychotherapy winds up showing a much bigger range of benefits. And I think that there is something to that just in general, when you’re going through any practice, if you also have that aid of being able to talk through it and think through it with someone who’s good at steering those conversations and knows when to back out of the way and let you draw your own conclusions, I think that just boosts whatever effect you’re seeing across a lot of different disciplines.
Ashkahn: So I guess if you’re a therapist, this sounds great. If you’re not a therapist, this sounds like a real bad idea to me.
Graham: And I would say this: as far as the before, after, during, we just don’t have the data to back that up. I could see it being useful in all of those cases, having time to think about something after you’ve processed through it. During some recent talks, Justin Feinstein was talking about how, with his anxiety patients, they really opened up in a way that it’s hard to get anxiety patients to open up to a therapist, after their float session. So in that sense, people who are a little more reticent to talk about their feelings or really get into things, I could see therapy being incredibly beneficial actually after a float, as opposed to before as well.
Ashkahn: So yeah, it sounds cool. And you should do it, if you know what you’re doing. That seems to be the summary here.
If you guys have other questions that you want us to answer, you can hop over to floattanksolutions.com/podcast. Send them over our way and we will talk to you tomorrow. Bye, everyone.
Recent Podcast Episodes
How to Build Community Relationships from Home – DSP 240
Building community relationships when you’re already working 12 hour days at your float center can seem impossible. How do you make those connections when you’re busy during business hours?
Derek and Graham tackle this problem and focus on it from personal experience. When Float On was just starting up, Graham was always running around, but still found time to grab a tea with local wellness professionals in his down time just to chat and hang out. Derek also points out that there’s plenty of social media tools that you can use between transitions when you have a couple minutes.
Tips on Website Copywriting – DSP 239
In another jam packed marketing episode, Derek and Graham get into the nitty gritty of how to write out all the content you need on your website.
They dive in and explain the importance of layout, how to keep things succinct, and some really great resources for copywriting, A/B testing, and general marketing knowledge.
What’s the Best Way to do Referral Programs? – DSP 238
Derek and Graham talk about the many tactics they’ve tried at Float On with developing referral programs. They’ve tried many things with varying success, from affiliates to endorsements to discount codes. All with varying success. The favorite tactic at Float On, of course, is giving away free floats and developing relationships with others in the community.
Are Chatbots a Good Idea? – DSP 237
Graham and Derek break down the benefits of chatbots. They discuss the usefulness of popular marketing tools like these and what place they have in brick and mortar businesses like float centers. They might be marginally useful, but there are almost definitely better things to focus on if a float center is having difficulty with marketing.
Should I Copy Marketing Ideas? – DSP 236
There’s so many inspiring and creative float centers out there, many of who keep coming up with ingenious new ways to get the word out for their centers.
What’s the protocol for borrowing marketing ideas like this? How does proximity factor into it?
Graham and Derek break down the nuances of marketing strategies and where to pull from and what to avoid. It’s all about etiquette.
Latest Blog Posts
The Float Tour Blog – Issue #7
As we move further into the desert lands of America, we find that while the temperatures outside are downright unbearable, people seem to fall in love with the warm salty sensation that is float therapy.
The Float Tour Blog – Issue #6
San Diego, Palm Desert, and Landers California wrap up our visit of Float Tank Centers in California. We were fortunate to visit old friends, make some new ones, and even go to Float Camp!
The Float Tour Blog – Issue #5
As you may have read in Issue #4 of The Float Tour Blog, we began diving into the Los Angeles area float centers and visited the current largest float center around as well as the freshly opened second location of a long time float center owner.
There were so many to cover that we decided to split this into two blogs. In this issue, we round out our L.A. journey as we begin to head further south toward San Diego.
The Float Tour Blog – Issue #4
Los Angeles is a major hub for almost every industry in the world in one way or another. Building on the foundations of Hollywood and their harbor, it’s the 2nd largest city in the United States.
Given its population density, it’s large enough to support almost any industry, which for a burgeoning niche like float tanks is especially beneficial. Also, if you’ve ever experienced rush hour traffic on the I-405, you’ll know this city deserves to float.
