Learn best practices for starting and running a float center:
  • This field is for validation purposes and should be left unchanged.

Something in the world of floating have you stumped?

  • This field is for validation purposes and should be left unchanged.

Show Highlights

Being strapped for cash isn’t a fun situation to be in. With an operating business, you have options, fortunately.

Graham and Ashkahn brainstorm some ideas for quick cash and some they’ve even used at Float On when a surprise expense has come up. It’s worth noting that to get money in the short term, you’re likely sacrificing something in the long term.

Listen to Just the Audio

Transcription of this episode… (in case you prefer reading)

Graham: Today’s question is, hilarious, sort of. And desperate. It’s: “I need a huge influx of cash right now, what are some things I can do to raise some quick funds?”

Ashkahn: Oh boy.

Graham: Well, first of all, we’re probably not actually releasing this tomorrow so, hopefully this podcast gets to you in time.

Ashkahn: Yeah, how urgent is this?

Drugs are a very profitable industry to be in.

Graham: I think we have at least three kidneys.

Ashkahn: You could … selling your plasma? I’ve heard that’s a … that’s a quick buck right?

Graham: Faking a fire? And claiming insurance money? Actually, that sounds really long term-

Ashkahn: Solves all your problems. That’s true.

Graham: Probably years-

Ashkahn: There’d be an investigation, and you’d have to do the jail time.

Graham: Years for insurance claim … yeah, you’d be serving time for that, yeah.

Ashkahn: Yeah, that’s hard because …

Graham: Whenever you need something specific and you need it right now, is the hardest time to get it.

Ashkahn: Yeah.

Graham: The more ambiguous your goals are, and the more that they can be done in the future, the easier it is to eventually accomplish them. So money right now is one of those things where, you’re gonna probably have to sacrifice something in order to get it. Again, toes, kidney, plasma …

Ashkahn: So there’s a few ways to do this with your float center. And they basically just involve running sales mostly, if you really need money right now.

Graham: Yep.

Ashkahn: So Groupon in one way of getting an influx of cash, although, they hold on to some of your money. But you still get a decent check within, what, a week?

Graham: Yeah, a couple weeks.

Ashkahn: Something like that?

Graham: Yeah, and running your internal sale. If you have a big mailing list, if you have a good Facebook following, just blasting out … and when I say, when I was kind of alluding to sacrificing something earlier, what I actually meant is, even something like running a sale, you’re really sacrificing future sales. In exchange for getting sales right now. Because, presumably, the people who are buying these floats at a discount could potentially be full-price float purchasers. Maybe just not right now. If you’re trying to get that money immediately…

Ashkahn: Yeah, and if you’re not sacrificing that, you’re sacrificing your perceived value and how much people are used to paying for floats. The more sales you do, the more you’re just getting people not used to paying full-price.

Graham: But, sometimes you just need that, and-

Ashkahn: You need the money-

Graham: And that’s fine. We’ve definitely run sales and treated our floats almost as a line of credit.

Ashkahn: Yeah for sure. Almost … most of our Groupon or sales situations, I think, have been originally motivated by some sort of construction cost that we needed to find money for immediately.

Graham: Yeah. Pretty much, if you’ve been following us for a while you we only run two sales during the year. One in December and one in June, and so anything outside of that … if you ever see a discount at Float On in April, it’s probably because we needed to replace a set of floors or something.

Ashkahn: Something’s wrong. Something’s wrong with us.

Graham: Yep.

Ashkahn: And that’s … those are your most immediate options. Other than that, you could go to the bank-

Graham: Yep, having a line of credit with the bank is actually-

Ashkahn: A line of credit is cool. And it’s usually the lowest interest of almost any way of lending money from a bank. It’s good to set that stuff up when you don’t need it, so that it’s there when you do.

Graham: So that it’s there when you do. Yeah.

Ashkahn: But often, if you have a few years of being in business and you have a healthy bank account history, then … from what I can tell, and I don’t know too much about this, getting under a hundred thousand dollars in a line of credit is generally not the craziest thing in the world. And often, just requires the approval of whoever’s working the business desk at the bank. So if you’re going for a low amount like that … and usually even you pay it back in a certain amount of time, I don’t think there’s any interest on it?

Graham: Yeah, for sure.

Ashkahn: So that’s definitely a good thing to have in your back pocket.

Graham: Yeah, there’s also … it depends on when you’re expecting money coming in, and what you need it to pay for. But on the paying-for side, often there’s way more leeway there than you might imagine-

Ashkahn: Right, for … especially for construction stuff.

Graham: Yeah, the ability to push back some of your costs by a month, or a couple months, is … you have way more negotiation leeway there than you might think that you do. Even for things like bills, or talking to the electric company, or things as simple as that. They’re used to dealing with such huge amounts of money, that even though a float center is not a cheap thing to run, it takes a good amount of funds to keep it going … in the scope of this much broader business world, we’re still itty bitty businesses. We are tiny, brick-and-mortar shops. And so, if you need to delay even something like 10,000 dollars up to a couple months out, you might be shocked just calling the company that you owe that money to and having a conversation … might just yield that time extension.

Ashkahn: Or especially if you need this money because you need to do some sort of construction fix. You can usually negotiate … they call them net-terms, like net-30’s or net-60’s, and that’s just the amount of days after something is done that you need to actually pay the bill. So you could have someone do a plumbing project for you and it’d be two months before you actually have to pay them for it.

Graham: Yeah, and so in the past when we’ve had to do emergency repairs on our walls or our floors or something like that, we’ve done a combination of that. Find the contractors that you can do the net-terms with, or the materials providers, push that out as far as you can. Take a little money from a line of credit, run a sale, and kind of all those things combined ends up being more of the solution that we’ve implemented.

Ashkahn: Yeah. Or you … I’ve also heard crippling credit card debt can be a useful thing for people.

Graham: And I do know float centers who have used credit cards to get past very similar experiences. That one of course is just terrifying because the interest rates get so high if you wait a little too long to pay them back.

Ashkahn: So then you just pay it off with another credit card. That’s the key.

Graham: And if you do it right, you can just get non-stop rewards during the process, so … sort of like, you can’t see, but I’m drawing a triangular-shape thing.

If you sell credit cards to other people, and then they start using them, you get a bonus for every charge that they do.

Ashkahn: Yeah, you should really get into some financial business.

Graham: So there are some ideas. What else? Child slavery?

Ashkahn: Yeah, those are the real ones.

Graham: Yeah, for sure. There’s only so much you can do to really generate that money in the short term.

Ashkahn: Maybe asking your friends and family for a loan is the next option?

Graham: Yeah, I just really, I don’t even … I didn’t even want to say that one.

Ashkahn: Uh, yeah …

Graham: Yeah … I was going to make a joke about going to your rich uncle or something, and I was like, “Eh, that’s not even good as a joke.” Because it’s so … then if you can’t pay your uncle back it’s awful …

Ashkahn: It’s just …

Graham: You’re going into-

Ashkahn: You pay him with a credit card, you know?

Graham: Pay off your uncle with a credit card.

Alright, anything else to add over there?

Ashkahn: I think that’s probably it.

Graham: Alright, good luck.

Ashkahn: Yep.

Graham: Good luck out there. Hope you raise some quick funds.

Ashkahn: Yeah.

Graham: And if you have any more emergency questions, definitely go to a professional.

Ashkahn: Don’t send them into the podcast.

Graham: If you have more slow-paced questions yeah, go to floattanksolutions.com/podcast and shoot them off there.

Recent Podcast Episodes

Understanding Chlorine Use in a Float Tank – DSP 174

This is another one of those questions that seems simple but as soon as Graham and Ashkahn start explaining a few things, you realize that there’s a lot of complicated information in the background. A “SSBASAGAASEAFTYRTTALOCIITB”, if you will. 
The guys take this opportunity to deep dive on the complex conversation of chlorine and why it’s problematic for the float industry, along with several  caveats of the benefits and usefulness of it as a disinfectant. 

Should I Offer a Three Float Intro Pack? – DSP 173

Every float center has their own tricks to pricing, appealing to first time customers, and encouraging repeat business. One of the most common is using a three float intro pack that usually offers three floats at a 3 for the price of 2 package. Given how prevalent these are, do they work really well? Is this something that will soon become industry standard? What else needs to be considered before offering a package like this?

Graham and Ashkahn provide their thoughts on this pricing trend and how Float On does pricing (admittedly very differently than a three float intro pack) and what to consider for each float center that looks at this option.

What do You Love About Running a Float Center? – DSP 172

It’s easy to listen to this podcast, day in and day out, and think to yourself “why would ANYONE put up with all these issues?” Graham and Ashkahn describe what keeps them, and probably everybody in the industry, in the difficult business of putting strangers in salty boxes and the wonderful life changing experiences that come with it. 

How is the Float Industry Different? – DSP 171

It’s possible that everyone in the float industry intuitively knows that it’s a different sort of business, but what are the tangible ways in which it’s different? As Ashkahn says at the start of the episode, every question in this podcast is kind of a long form answer to this question. 

Graham and Ashkahn tackle this problem together, and answer everything from the practical to the philosophical, ranging from lack of expertise in the industry, to the sense of camaraderie that doesn’t seem to exist anywhere else. 

Latest Blog Posts

The Creation of the Beginner’s Guide to Floating

The Creation of the Beginner’s Guide to Floating

Our Beginner's Guide to Floating was first created four years ago, and we've gone through over 40,000 of them just out of our own center in Portland. Since making it publicly available, our Beginner's Guide has been downloaded over 1,400 times. Dozens of float centers...

Programming and Metaprogramming in the Human Biocomputer

Programming and Metaprogramming in the Human Biocomputer

“In the realm of the mind, there are no limits” - Dr. John C. Lilly As some of you may know, we’ve been working closely with the estate of  Dr. Lilly, to ensure that his writings and ideas become more accessible to the public. We’ve started by reprinting his...

Alternative Wellness and Floatation Therapy

Alternative Wellness and Floatation Therapy

Over the past few decades people have come to practice many alternative wellness regimens from outside of the realm of standard Western medicine. Instead of medication and surgery, people have turned to regular bodily maintenance and more natural remedies for their...